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I have some nodes really far away from my base and would love a cargo train line here, yet I cant have it and I dont want to use trucks as they are not as reliable. Maybe trains should be moved to tier 6? Something like heavy modular frames or computers is not that easy to get, so in my opinion it would be really worth it, as well as encased industrial beams to build trucks. I just really would love to get to those trains earlier...
by (18.3k points)
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I Dont see it that way. The game is easy enought as it is. The trucks are actually doing their job decent, if set up right. I wont downvote thought. Just dont see it the way u do
by (5.5k points)
Yea, definitely not, there's always a way and if they brought the trains forward then there wouldn't be much point in even having the trucks. Plus, considering even just the 4-piece assembler takes 50mwh on it's own, can you imaginf the power drain for trains? Me and my mate are working on a totally autonomous factory, we have 10 coal generators going and we've already estimated we'll need more power, and that's just at rank 6. I can't imagine the power drawn by the train, plus you'd need more power for each station... Nah, need thermal, oil, and/or nuclear before trains mate.
by (7.5k points)
Lmao I have 44 coal generators as well as 30 fuel power plants from Oil. Srsly power is not any form of issue at tier 6, Im working with 8GW and using a tenth of it. And pulling a conveyor for 2km really sucks, and increases the lag. A train and overall vehicles help reduce it, so why not go for trains early? Im still crafting pipes by hand just because I dont fancy pulling conveyor for 3km to the nearest pure coal/copper 3x nodes, I want a train to do it for me when we get it. Overall, having a train authomated factory seems great to me, Just as it was in factorio. I know, different game, but satisfactory has so much to do with it and still is like totally different but with similiar mechanics... Like having a train Line for Oil 2km away, pipes 3km away etc.
by (5.5k points)
Well congrats to you for your power generation... You completely missed the point though. My coal generation is over 2 km away from the Hub, so guess what? I made a truck stop, hell, make 2, or even 3+ trucks if you must to get the required output, but that's the point, train isn't needed for such small journies, that'll probably be best used for getting all the way from one biome to the other,  southern grasslands to desert, desert to dry coral > glass desert, or the northern grasslands. Trains will be a long haul item, not short stop conveyors aren't the only way to go. Though I do also have a 2+km conveyor feeding caterium into my factory, so that is also a viable option. Just because you don't want to wait for something, doesn't mean it's better to move it up. Not to mention it would break the game balance to be introducing trains this early.
by (7.5k points)
But power you can just pull a 2km power Line, like irl power plants are far away from cities or in this case factories. I want large quantities of items, if im producing about 900 pipes/minute at tier 6, why cant I have a train haul it for me? It would require like 5 trucks to haul all these, but for trains 2 or even 1 would do... Also they are very consistant - always same times, tracks etc while trucks can jump, bump etc they arent as Smart as Real life AI cars and make mistakes. I Just dont trust the trucks as the terrain is very bumpy on the road to my pipe source. Also, the amount of coal they would consume (as thats the Best fuel option being next to pipe production) would be an enormous waste, I prefer having an electric train. And dont mind me but I Will rather have enough power for the next 10-15 hours of gameplay than go there every hour to build a few more generators :) and 2km is not that close, its a good 5 min ride with a truck at 50kmh, trains can haul such things with great ease. Yet preparing the tracks is very satisfying, you have to plan the route not only to be clear, but also possibly straight.
by (5.5k points)
Well, firstly, I gotta ask, why are you so against using long conveyors? If you actually got 900/minute going on then two mk4 conveyors will easily do the job for you.

I mean, unless you have got many different areas set up with no central production, which seems very inefficient to me, then just bring it all in. Plus, generally speaking a truck will only make a mistake if you do, occasionally it might end up hitting something you didn't, but my experience shows they're very good at getting back on track. Plus, a round trip of about 4 or 5 km uses less than a single stack of coal, so if you are producing enough coal for, what was it, 45 generators? I'm sure you can spare ~100 every 5 - 10 minutes or so. And I seen to recall actual fuel produced by the oil having a higher efficiency, so all you need to do is set up production and have a conveyor feed straight into the fuel tank. Be it coal, fuel or biofuel, though biofuel isn't easily automated and still requires manual input at the beginning stage.
by (7.5k points)
Youre right, and I dont call trucks bad - their AI in game is one of the Best I have seen. I dont want a long conveyor due to item overlaping and lag as I said - i have one 1km long and seing items go frame by frame every 0.5 secs that are further than 200m from me (far Render distance) isnt really a Pleasing view. I Just prefer trains over trucks due to their capacity - you never know when you might need it extended, f.e. They change some craftings or something and you suddenly need more space. I Just prefer trucks for exploring purposes and trains for haul. You have seen the coffee stain video on vehicles, right? For me the train presentation was a bit off, but think of it like how cool is a 3-4km long railway with 4 carts behind a train? Its quite realistic, as for trucks I once build a 500m long foundation road and was so pissed seing the wheels go like far down on suspension when crossing the exact connection point like if there was a hole... I Just love trains for their simplicity yet great capacity, and the pleasure of building the railway Smart rather than Smart driving your truck through the jungle with tons of obstacles :)
by (5.5k points)
I'll be honest, no. I'm preferring discovering things by myself, trying to stay away from videos and stuff. (yes, me posting, replying and talking on the forum goes against that, but there's only so much you can stay away from a game you're playing) And while I gotta agree, seeing things at distance with a low framerate (this isn't lag, lag is completely different) is a little anti-immersive, not only will the train be exactly the same, 1. Its early access, 2. If everything you could see was running at full fps, your computer would die. No, no matter how good it is, going on what you have said already, your computer could not handle that much rendering. That's why most games have a comparatively low draw distance, or just don't render / spawn things that are further away than "X".

And yea, changing recipes, alternates, etc, can cause moving things around a little, that's all in the mature of "staying efficient", which I believe is a key point in this game, considering it keeps reminding you about your efficiency and how this new milestone can improve it.

I've remodelled my own factory twice, the one I'm working on with my mate once, and then abandoned it in favour of another location that's being purpose-built for efficiency, rather than the build-as-we-go factory we started in the first location.
by (7.5k points)
Yeah Im on 3rd Save now and would still change some things like the high density of storage etc. I Just like to overkill things and thats why I want the train. I have 90 frames/second Line, and therefore feel like its too much but I love to have those high efficiency lines. Having 5 constructors isnt really anywhere near impressive, while 24 smelters look very sweet in one Line. Yet I feel tier 5 and 6 required materials in space elevator are too Little. 500 frames isnt really craftable, but 50 Motors took me about 10 minutes to do (as I said, no pipe Line until trains :) because currently, hub researches are harder to complete that these space elevator ones. I would multiply them by x10, to really be an achievement rather than Quick job completing them. The New tier unlockment should be an enthusiastic event, for me it was like oh great, lets go for high quantity Oil production! And im glad to do so but a train is what I dream of, to have that big freight yard in the back end of my factory, like irl big factories need good connections. Lets be honest - a conveyor moving at 440 items/unit, lets assume its like 5-10m/sec, isnt that realistic. I love however the part where you can use conveyor as high speed walkways, or better - jump booster. I have a base on a cliff about 200m above the Glass dessert as you called it, and I jump about 400m onto jelly pod near my Steel production entry bridge over a Lake, every jump is So much fun to experience the speed and soft landing :)
by (5.5k points)
+1
Gotta admit, 500 frames was ridiculous, but mostly I gotta say I think things are well paced. And of course a conveyor moving 450/minute isn't realistic unless you're counting individual screws or something. But you're on an alien planet, strip mining it for some corporation with your holo-generated buildings, jetpack, exoskeleton and space elevator... If *that* isn't unrealistic, I don't know what is. Just take a moment to suspend your disbelief, think, it's future alien tech, take a deep breath and roll with it. If you can build and dismantle buildings and machines with your laser pointer, I don't think 450items/minute is that bad in comparison.
by (2.3k points)
Ether way, going to be end of may when we get them.
by (1.7k points)
Trucks are not as bad as some ai I've seen but them constantly turning upside down or getting stuck on things that are not there so they drain all their fuel and never move is a bit tiresome :)
by (1.7k points)
As for trains I don't mind them being in tier 7 I just wish they were already in cause I ran belts from all over map to my base to do things and I want to replace them with a train :)
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